[00:00:01] I know individuals that do a lot more than me. If you sit in the same interview together, I might most likely get to know how I'm doing. That's big. When you talk about your personal plan and what's going to make you stand out?
[00:00:13] So, we get to make sure we see you. I would want to be the best thing about you. You feel like you've done me a lot. You feel like you've done bring things to life. When I was developing an application, I had an idea in my head.
[00:00:24] And I could literally open my laptop our streets. What was it I had? Welcome back to the Tech Certified Podcast. I'm your host, Caleb Oni Certified and this is the podcast. Where we interview tech creators and tech professionals who inspire us on our journeys in the tech industry.
[00:00:56] I've been so excited for our guest today. I guess today is a software engineer who works at Microsoft. She's also an author. She's also a speaker and she's also a content creator. Is there anything she can't do?
[00:01:11] Just so I'm just the author of a popular book titled Attekis Guide into Big Tech Companies, which acts as a complete roadmap for landing jobs in international tech firms. Just somehow how are you doing today?
[00:01:24] I'm doing okay. Thank you. Thank you for having me. We look excited as we here.
[00:01:30] Good, good. Of course. Thank you so much for joining. Let's get straight into it and the first question I'll ask you is, yeah just to give us an introduction to you and tell us a little bit about yourself.
[00:01:43] Okay, I think you're ready. Said like the high level. This is sort of neat, but yeah, I would agree with you that I am a couple of things. First of all, I'm a software engineer Microsoft. My role revolves around big data engineering.
[00:01:59] AI and I work in the understeady ability team. So I'm helping Microsoft with his goals of becoming like carbon negative by 2030. So my team is highly involved in making shoulders goals are achieved.
[00:02:14] And yeah, aside from Microsoft, I do a couple of other things. I advocate a lot for people starting careers in tech, which has led me to do a couple of things. I have a book.
[00:02:24] I go office for a couple of tech companies, big tech companies. And I'm like, okay, if I think I figured out the hack, let me just write it or put a set of like a resource for people that would want to go through that path as well as work out that big tech companies.
[00:02:42] And I also do YouTube, YouTube is a platform where I think that more for your YouTube. I see like the more on version of your YouTube. So YouTube is just me sharing my journey as a software engineer, career stories.
[00:02:54] I do a lot of lifestyle as well. I stay legal as my career as well. So there's a lot of fun here. So I document that back a while.
[00:03:02] And here I'm always active on social media channels to Italian in just like sharing encouraging people and just being that woman in tech in quotes. Yeah, that's amazing. That's a really good general introduction.
[00:03:19] I didn't know. I didn't know a few of those things that you said like about you are keen big data specifically and AI, which is really interesting. Yeah.
[00:03:29] That's it. So second thing I wanted to ask you was to give like a brief walkthrough of your tech journey to getting to become a software engineer at Microsoft. What are the steps like what's the background? How did you get there?
[00:03:48] Can start from wherever you want to start not when you were born, but wherever you want to start. Okay, so Microsoft was actually my dream company.
[00:03:58] I know my dad had my dad got us like a desktop computer, like monitor, CPU, printer and each time I tried to boot that system. I would see like Windows this time before I put in my passwords that like working on the desktop.
[00:04:15] And I always tell my parents that I want to work for Windows and I didn't know that Windows was Microsoft.
[00:04:20] So I hope that Microsoft was actually a five-fetch. I was always saying, oh, when I finished school, I would work for five years. I'll become so good and that Microsoft would employ me. So I worked out where I literally joined Microsoft, and when it was full.
[00:04:36] So I think in terms of tech that interest came up when I was still a little like I had a computer. I was learning how to type, you know the home at this big coin, because then it has to do PowerPoint.
[00:04:49] I would say I was really completely tricked, like I'd see the trade. So moving about to second year school, I still did that university.
[00:04:57] It wasn't so hard to choose a course, because I just knew that I wouldn't want to do anything outside being in front of like a system like a computer.
[00:05:06] So computer science was a new greener. I did computer science and I doubled into Android development when I was in the university.
[00:05:15] I met someone that was building Android applications. He had like a phone thing on his laptop and I was like, oh, what's that? I think that looks interesting.
[00:05:24] And he said that he's an Android developer and I just literally said, I would like you to teach me how to develop software because I just knew how to code like the whole if statements for loops. Why won't that slow?
[00:05:37] Trust on knowledge into building actual software. So in my second year in the university, I stayed learning Android development. That was in 2019 then COVID came in 2020. Everybody knows about COVID at this point. So when we came in 2020, I was at home.
[00:05:53] I was literally grinding code like I was developing on the Android Android framework and I was tired of tutorials, I was tired of just doing the right thing. Just doing the regular stuff. I said, okay, so I think you actually need to launch an app on the place.
[00:06:09] So anything that usually see cops that owned by companies like app that owned by individuals or police. So I said, and I was like, okay, if I want to be very confident in software development, I need to do something that I'm really scared of.
[00:06:24] And building an app was one thing I was really scared of. So I went ahead and I did it. I have like an app or a place store now. It's a language learning app and after launching the application, I became more confident.
[00:06:37] And you know, the CS student, I knew how hot CS students were at that time. And so a couple of the experience I have developed in software. I decided to start applying for jobs. Now I started applying for jobs in Nigeria because I'm growing in Lagos in Nigeria.
[00:06:54] And they kept saying, they can't employ people with no experience. No actual work experience. But I tried to prove myself that, okay, I don't have work experience, but this is something I've been able to do by myself.
[00:07:07] But apparently that wasn't enough. So I'm really glad that those rejections came. I was so happy they came because if I had gotten accepted in any of these companies, I wouldn't be at Microsoft City.
[00:07:18] And so I just figured out that these big tech companies have no capacity to train. Can you guard your internet and also have capacity to let people that don't really have experience. So have that problem solving skill.
[00:07:33] And that was one thing that I highlighted with almost all the big tech companies applied to Microsoft Google Meta. I'm a general of that. And so I was also a Microsoft student partner, but that wasn't like a perk that got me in.
[00:07:48] But he just gave me like enough out when it's because I saw other people in that program that wanted to apply for Microsoft as new guys. And so I stayed grinding Lee code.
[00:08:01] I figured out that the experience side of things I had it on check the behavior of side of things in terms of like soft skills. I don't know what that have it on check. I mean, because I'm talking to you.
[00:08:12] This is exactly what I spoke to all of my interviewers. So I thought that was actually lacking in what was the leaked code side of things like the algorithm, DS, the algorithm and data structure.
[00:08:24] So I stayed grinding on that for like, um, they truly did data part of 2020 after launching my app. And yeah, after so many companies, the capital transactions Microsoft reached out to me with an email saying that he wants interview. That was in December.
[00:08:41] Then I did like four interviews and I was able to show myself, this was actually the okay.
[00:08:47] This is all me as okay. She's something I have experience, but she has built an app. She has really good soft skills like I can literally know which is by just talking to her. She can't go and she can answer like question the wrong system design.
[00:09:02] She's a new graduate. Let's keep her. I think that also I sold to my interviewers and they saw that and I'm really glad that it did. And in January, I got like the offer and got some issues and that.
[00:09:16] So that was literally the short story, but there are a lot of things I can be between a lot of back things as well. That's exactly that's just how it wins. That's an amazing story and we'll get into to the bad things as well.
[00:09:31] That's really interesting and there's loads of things that I picked up on just from your story for one. You were developing apps. And early age. And another is that you got rejected from loads of places. All those of companies that it's like nothing compared to Microsoft. Yeah.
[00:09:54] And so I think that's kind of a common theme where people that are working at amazing companies, the big companies Microsoft or Google or wherever. And then I started out with some of those things that I've seen in the past,
[00:10:09] or any of them asked them about their journey to that place. So they've been rejected by the company down the road at you know, but no one knows about. So that's really interesting.
[00:10:19] So a big question which always asks like everyone that comes on here is just about their journey. So throughout your journey. Talk to me about the biggest. And then the biggest con of working in this tech industry. It's a lot. Just one.
[00:10:35] If you had to choose one of each biggest, probably biggest one. I think biggest per would be, you feel like it's them, you got it. You feel like you can bring things to life.
[00:10:48] When I was developing an application, I had an idea in my head, I knew what is going to look like. I knew it was all of the way. I could literally open my laptop and create something in my head. I could literally implement that.
[00:11:03] It doesn't end there when I speak working as a software engineer. I'm working on products that are impacting billions of users. I'm working on very solid projects that have like world impact. So being a software engineer makes you feel like it makes you feel so powerful.
[00:11:22] You can literally create things that could solve problems for people and you're making impact as you're writing your lines of code in your bedroom, for your office space, you're making impacts from that position. As much as that's cool, that's really nice. It also has its own coins, right?
[00:11:41] You are going to be in a position where learning never ends. You're going to not see this project requires me to learn Python. You're looking at yourself, I don't know Python, I don't like Python. You literally have to get the job done. So you're continuously learning, right?
[00:12:00] So as much as AI is here now, there's some things that you have to online and there's some things that you have to drop. So the learning code is usually you have to have a group mindset software engineer in
[00:12:13] or in taking the string general is not something that you're, it's not something that you do like you do the same thing over and over again. There's always room for your plan and learning as well. At times, I can get very annoying, challenging and overwhelming boards.
[00:12:29] I mean, it's just what it is. Wow, I really relate to your con. Learning is continuous in this industry, in the whole tech industry, it doesn't really matter which area of tech you work. You just have to keep learning things always change. Yeah. And they don't stop changing.
[00:12:52] It's a really big one and I really agree with that. And you're pro, you can create anything. I mean, I don't code much. The only code that I kind of use is automation stuff like PowerShell and Terraform.
[00:13:06] So it's interesting to hear from a software engineer, what that pro is for you. In moving on, a big question I wanted to ask is just about how competitive it is getting into tech companies like Microsoft for example.
[00:13:23] I think for me, so I feel like a lot of people on this channel don't notice. Well, I'm Nigerian and they don't know that, you know, I kind of, so I did secondary school in Nigeria.
[00:13:37] So from the ages of 10 to 17, I grew up in Nigeria from the period of time. I lived in Abujah and went to school there. So I kind of have like an understanding of the way things can be.
[00:13:55] I feel like not to get into like all the little bits and politics, but there's a lot of really, really talented people in Nigeria that are ready to do the work and work really hard. But the opportunity is not at the same level for the amount of talent.
[00:14:13] So I wanted to ask you who's there right now and who's done, who's doing really, really well in that kind of environment. Yeah, how competitive is it? And how do you find that in Nigeria as well? I can't, I can't come here and say it's not competitive.
[00:14:33] That's lying. For like I mentioned, I had applied to a couple of other companies. I just noticed the pattern with these companies. Right, they don't just want you to know how to code press C.
[00:14:49] Like I always tell people, I know individuals that do a lot more than me. But if we see, if we sit in the same interview together, I might most likely get the world and you won't. So I noticed that these companies don't really focus on,
[00:15:04] oh, especially, we really know how to code, especially, we really know how to solve problems. This person is very intuitive and it has an iPhone detail. These companies also look out for those are the attractive things,
[00:15:16] like your soft skills, most especially the way you, you're brand yourself or social media, for instance, the way you can, what's the way you can literally pack it? I don't know, in Nigeria, I call it package, you know, you package yourself.
[00:15:29] Yeah, yeah, just that. Like no matter how you know, if you can't package yourself in a very good way, nobody's going to look your way. So it now, it comes from a place of, okay,
[00:15:41] are you going to get referrals? If you're getting referrals then you don't have really have to do much work in making sure that application gets to the top. So now even before you get those referrals, the person has to see something in you,
[00:15:54] and that thing might not be your coding skills. It might just be the way you sound, the way you're accessing for that request, the way you're posting about what you know, to show media, the way your resume looks like just things like that, right?
[00:16:07] They can push the person to refame. So it's quite competitive, but I would say that if you know how to code or like if you're listening to this, I know how to code your geek,
[00:16:17] you know five different programming languages, if you do not work on like your soft skills and your online present or your online footprints, you might have a problem because I mean, if you go abroad, people are doing the most. I always tell people, people are doing the most.
[00:16:36] So if your resume is good, you don't have a picture on your LinkedIn, you don't have your summary, you don't have like your exterior experience section is empty. If you go abroad and watch how
[00:16:47] people apply for jobs with so much intentionality, you're going to be shocked, right? And even in that pool of people that are really good, you still have the people that will like top of their
[00:16:59] game even in that pool. So it's just a combination of you working on obviously your coding skills have to be okay, your technical knowledge and your parents has to be good, first of all,
[00:17:10] then when you're set to be that work on other things, work on your soft skills, work on the way you speak during interviews, do not be someone that is anti-collaboration, show them that you
[00:17:24] can collaborate with team, show them that you have some leadership qualities. I mean, you should be able to showcase different versions of yourself during the interview, even if the interview just lasts for testing, the interview is meant to see you as someone that will be valuable to
[00:17:39] the company, as sides your technical skills or else can you offer. Right? So I think that's what most people don't really spend time working on. You might just work on a little code, VS code,
[00:17:50] don't even have views and just there. So I think most of these companies look for something extra. Yeah, they know you can't code, they know that your CS2 and both, what's that extra spark
[00:18:03] that makes you use? And that is going to make you valuable in the company in different ways. Wow, that's big, that's really big. I think people don't think about personal branding like that, that way. It's all what can you do, but when you talk about your personal
[00:18:20] brand and what's going to make you stand out like that, that's incredible. And I can see you've got the evidence of that. You're very you're wearing like, you go to cheese go on to some LinkedIn, go on Instagram or how YouTube channel sees done her personal branding
[00:18:39] and how. Wherever you are, if you watch a video, you'll be like, oh wow, this person is someone that I'd like to employ. I love for her to be about my company or whatever I'm doing. And so that's
[00:18:52] the real importance of personal branding. And in a difficult market, if you want to stand out, your personal brand can help you do that. Yeah, I don't know if you saw this video of the lady
[00:19:04] that I was looking for a job. And she did like this very attractive video of like, she was speaking in different languages. I don't know if you saw it. I think it will viral on LinkedIn.
[00:19:12] Now that's going overboard. So if people are doing that and you're still doing the least, then you know, start that. Yeah. Wow, wow. It was just amazing. Nobody has ever had that. I'll have to check that out after this podcast. Wow, you're there.
[00:19:33] That's amazing. So to move on, I guess like, I don't even need to ask this question because you've given so much advice already, but the question is what advice would you give to someone
[00:19:48] trying to get into tech? I guess other than the advice that you've given already, you know, we're not so brand new. Yeah, what advice would you give to someone trying to get into tech industry? I think it's just you literally just standing out like you said,
[00:20:06] getting into a field, I would want to be the best in that field and not like the best the best book I would learn is such a way that I would want to be the best. Like, I wouldn't
[00:20:17] learn it in like a major power way. I'm learning front and I know how to do a few templates. I'll just stop there. You have to like go the extra mile to do a lot of research, build as much projects as you
[00:20:30] can because doing your interviews, you have to be real applying for a very technical role and speaking about engineering so I might be a little bit biased for you. We have a very technical role.
[00:20:41] You want to have conversations with your interviewer and you want that person to say, oh, this person actually knows the only thing. Like you want to be mentioning things that you've experienced, things that you've got in your hands that they're serious. You want to talk about
[00:20:54] your projects, you want to talk about the pitfalls, the projects that you worked on, the challenges that you faced, how you were back in the challenges, how you worked in 18, how you were a leader,
[00:21:04] the problems you had put in your teams together. I mean all those things, so you really want to get your hands that you would like the technical stuff and the non-technical stuff. And you also
[00:21:12] have to prepare very well. No matter how many years of experience you have, if you have an interview the company you shouldn't say, oh, have done this before. This is nothing. You should still go ahead
[00:21:24] to practice, do more interviews, speak with people to make sure that you're interviewing. It feels as if they're still ready to go. So I think it's just basically standing out, you does much projects as possible. You can launch those projects on maybe the app store,
[00:21:39] on a website. If you're working on stuff that don't really have UI work like, maybe DevOps cybersecurity team blockchain, you can start building like architectural recommendations that you can talk about, make sure that your GitHub is really good. I mean just hacks yourself at this
[00:21:56] pointyering, would you hire you and pay you a lot of money? So if you can't, comfortably say, oh, I can hire me and pay me like $200,000 in a year or $500,000 in a year then. They are already
[00:22:11] so basically standing now and just making sure that you're not doing yourself with this favor when you probably get rejected. Just so that it's coming from the company and not to you. So that level of confidence is what you should try to build.
[00:22:27] Yeah, and I really like that question. Would you hire you? That's a really good question and only you can answer it. And so if you know that you've put in the work
[00:22:39] then you know you're in a good place. If you still feel like there's more that I need to learn then you can go back and do that work and put in that work to be where you feel like,
[00:22:51] at point where you feel like you could you could get hired and you would probably hire yourself. So yeah, it's a really good response. Another thing which I ask every guest that's going to be on here
[00:23:07] is to share an interesting career story. It could be interesting good or interesting bad. But something that's happened in your career, if you have a story, we go ahead. I think I have a couple of stories. I'll say the bad and the story.
[00:23:26] I think I was having a conversation with someone recently when I was telling the question that your career is not like school where you have like a syllabus drawn out to have like,
[00:23:35] oh I'm taking this exam in March. I'm writing this testing April, I'll be going to say it in June. Everything is planned out and you just have to be a good student for your career. It's quite
[00:23:47] different because you don't know how to move to the next level number one. You don't think that you should do number two. You don't know when it's time to leave a particular company. You don't know
[00:23:57] if you should stay. You don't know if you should switch to a different field. So that's how confusing a career is. I think when I joined Microsoft, I stayed at an early career first
[00:24:09] level and the people that had around me had work that startups started like they had like experience working on this startup and it was just me coming from school diving into a huge company
[00:24:21] and I had experience with Gith. But the Giths here was different from the one on my laptop. Because we're almost likely collaborating with different people and it was a huge code be. So
[00:24:34] it was actually such in some points. The first time I joined I was required to rewrite something in Python and do you like this idea? I knew what to do. I could do that by money. I don't
[00:24:45] know how to write Python. Give me something else. That's impossible. So I had to learn Python from the beginning. I just had some things I knew that to write that type on script and in two
[00:24:59] weeks I was done. I sent a me PR and everything was okay at the end of the day. But within those two weeks I freaked out in loads. I was scared. I was doubting my presence. I was
[00:25:09] actually myself. Oh, first of the meeting mistake. I was like yeah, this is the first last syndrome. So I think that's the bad side of the session. Like I'm editing career. It looks
[00:25:20] like an image company. I'm going to have this style. I know what that. Then the second story which I'm really proud of is what I got my first promotion after like a few months. It was something that really boosted my confidence, right? Because you don't just get
[00:25:36] promotion on that Microsoft like this. That has to be something that you did. So that's a positive side because I started with being doubtful or poor I know. And I was doubting my skills
[00:25:50] and what I was capable of doing. But when that promotion came, I felt more confident. I felt like okay my skills actually probably will be this company. I actually put in more
[00:26:00] words to see how far I can go and how far I can still my career. So in terms of like you didn't early career, I think those are two million milestones for me. Over here from a place of confusion
[00:26:13] to me talking like this feeling confident. Still learning as much as I can and just wanting to go to the next level. I'm just pushing for that. Amazing. Those are two really good stories.
[00:26:26] Congratulations on your promotion even though it might have been a while ago now. Oh that's really good, really good. Wait stop. There is no way you've listened to this podcast all this way and have not subscribed to the channel. Some of you have not even liked the video.
[00:26:43] If you've taken any value from this podcast, please subscribe to the channel, Caleb only certified and leave a like on this video so I can get out to as many people as possible. And you
[00:26:52] never know leaving a like might actually give you some good luck. Okay that's enough. Let's get back to the podcast. The next question I wanted to ask you is about how do your content creation journey? So what inspired you to share content for one and even
[00:27:11] write the book and how have you found this journey of content creation? Okay so I'm gonna about like inspiration now right. Yeah for the book I think the book came before content. The book was
[00:27:23] for me place of winner announced. Actually did my internship at Back of America. So I think I figured out the hack for like most of these companies and when I announced this also show media people
[00:27:35] were curious how are you able to get to a huge offer? You're an engineer, you're in school abroad. You just tell us how you're able to do it and I take as many of the DMs on Twitter or LinkedIn
[00:27:49] on Instagram. I was reclient to a couple of them then the questions are getting so much until at some point I know this is all the questions had it pattern. How did you start? How did you scale?
[00:28:01] Did you meet? I'm all of that and I said okay this could actually form like a series or something so I don't know if like doing like an article series of medium and when I stayed drafting like
[00:28:13] the content for this article series, it kept on guru like you were so huge I was like no I don't think this song. I don't think this should be an article and I was like okay I think about it both.
[00:28:24] I've never recently book in my life. I don't consider myself a right type but at that point it doesn't need to have to be done so I had to like push myself out of my comfort zone and start
[00:28:36] writing like the book process so I just could edit all the questions I was getting from people. I tried to like design a very solid tool map and I just solid that roadmap is very very solid
[00:28:51] so I stayed from the very beginning just cutting my own story in the book from like the person I brought in stage to how to apply for these jobs to the interview stage to the
[00:29:02] negotiation, how to negotiate your salary, the wave on how to handle the reactions if you don't get the offer. Then I also reached out to my friends working at other companies like Amazon Twitter, Meta Google and Microsoft they were own engineering and I said okay
[00:29:18] do you just have to contribute to this book so that people can see that it's possible right people can see that these are people these people look like me so they can't do it that I can do it definitely
[00:29:29] so yeah that was how the book came about I am a huge fan of giving back like if I figure out something and I'm seeing that people are struggling to do that and I've done it I would want to always
[00:29:42] simplify things for people and just get back and my YouTube channel has the same goal but many to channel is for me please of inspiration of what so many YouTubers that have built their lives up
[00:29:59] so much and you can easily go see their YouTube channel and see videos for six years back I am like oh this how this person started this is what this person was all about these are
[00:30:10] what this person valued and you can't actually see the group for those people. So my YouTube channel is to inspire women that want to be software engineers, women that want to
[00:30:20] be in the tech industry or this is she's so in my life as a software engineer this is she's so she's a human in tech she's not also she's not only a human in tech she's a black woman in tech
[00:30:31] and she's working on the software engineer one of the biggest companies so if you can see that then you should have any form of stereotype in your head about being a lady in tech
[00:30:41] and just also around documenting my 20s I see myself on going on a very very trusting journey and I don't want to miss documenting any of my stories I want people to actually look back
[00:30:56] and see where everything started from and just connected about so it's just around sharing my story documenting and teaching as well because for content creation I'm not doing like comedy
[00:31:10] skits or anything you know you know content that is a value is if at after one minute or two minutes you have a length at least one thing so the main stuff doing all those things I'm actually
[00:31:22] teaching people I'm actually helping people grow in the tech career growing down knowledge all around that and all of that so yeah I think those are my values in terms of content creation
[00:31:34] and my book as well that's amazing that's really amazing and yeah I guess I could say like very similar for me like in terms of what I've been sharing online and documenting my career
[00:31:47] for one just knowing that there's a lot of people in a position that I was in and wanting to help them to sort of put out content that is gonna help people to sort of get to where I am it's not as
[00:32:01] if I'm in I'm a I have 30 years of experience in cloud computing like I've recently done what some people are trying to do and I can really just share loads of things that could help people
[00:32:17] and it's also just I could learn something tomorrow and make a video about it. It's not right. Right I'm not I'm not claiming to be a professional or well I am a professional
[00:32:30] but not an expert that's been doing this for so long yeah exactly so that's so that's so amazing thank you so much to you for sharing all of this and to end off I just wanted to ask you if there's
[00:32:45] anything you want to share plug or promote. Definitely girl is going to promote her YouTube channel so if you want to work in any big tech company and you're looking for a guide I know that you have
[00:32:59] like a lot of articles out there you have a little channels you have what they call this for the called yeah you have discord to pick the people from like other companies but you're looking for a
[00:33:11] one a guide where you can't see everything that you need from the very beginning to the very end I think oh I know that my book is the bridge is the best resource for you it's very handy has
[00:33:22] back an interview journal where you kind of record like your interview progress with companies and like things you did right things you didn't roll and also yeah my history channel I share a lot
[00:33:32] about my career as a software engineer I share a lot about my life as a woman in tech and there's so many things that you can learn from because as I learn from other people I also try to teach
[00:33:44] that on my channel so I say that I think that's it but I would like to connect give like some parting some parting notes to end of course and just before you do that all the things you
[00:33:58] mentioned the book your channel and everything will be linked in the description and you can go ahead yes so parting words would be the tech industry is so powerful it's very interesting and it's literally the future the metal it's coming out now the tech industry is the future
[00:34:19] so you're watching this video really this is this podcast and you're starting out the career tech or you're still grinding and you're just hoping for the day they're going to get that
[00:34:29] big break going to come very very soon so keep putting in the work keep learning keep asking questions try to meet people that are doing what you're doing, extracting your field
[00:34:41] for yourself to them in a nice advice for them I just keep pushing your career as much as you can few years from now your previous self is going to thank you and once you get to that point that
[00:34:54] you're dreaming of getting to please don't forget to give back or forget to teach other people don't forget to uplift other people are just keep getting back as you go thanks so much for joining to some and thanks everyone for watching we'll see you in the next one