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[00:00:00] I was in for me tried one university, my car tried another university in my car.
[00:00:05] And then at the time I was still at the age range where you could do an internship or you call it an apprenticeship in the UK depending upon the word you're from.
[00:00:11] That whole thing about your mom telling you to do IT.
[00:00:14] Don't you just go? Don't you love her for it now?
[00:00:17] Like I think she said my life to be on a interview and for me I thought you know what I want you sort of you know,
[00:00:21] I'd like I wanted to like I want to fast forward my career or be to the position when I'm at but I thought you know what,
[00:00:26] when you do the same job in day and day out, the career progression is quite, you're moving a slow pace if you're based in London and you're the learning engineer you're talking 5 maybe between 400 to 700 marker.
[00:00:39] Just get started and have the right support and they're working with people around you because I think the day is not what you're not, it's for me you know, and who's around you.
[00:00:51] Hello and welcome to the Tech Certified Podcast once again.
[00:00:56] I'm your host, Caleb, only certified and this is the podcast where we interview tech professionals and tech creators who inspire us on our journeys in the tech industry.
[00:01:06] The aim of this podcast is to bring the knowledge of tech professionals closer to those who need it as well as tech creators close to those who need it.
[00:01:15] And we'll be doing exactly that once again in today's podcast episode.
[00:01:19] Today's guest is Denzel and I'm super excited to have Denzel on the part. Denzel is an IT professional with a number of years experience in various roles in the tech field.
[00:01:29] He is also a massive long time support of the channel, so it's a privilege to finally have Denzel on his been.
[00:01:36] He's been here before when we had 500 subscribers and he's still here now and it's a privilege to have him on the podcast.
[00:01:45] Okay, thank you so much for the intro. That's a very heavy intro and yeah, many times I was put yeah, I think we we think we go back away, you know, because the good thing with social media networking, you know, there's somebody out there, you know, somebody out there, you know,
[00:02:14] you can speak on camera, but yeah, we'll get there. So it's a pleasure to have him having me on and yeah, actually looking forward to yes, sharing my knowledge and my experience and hopefully can help one or two people, you know, crack a few eggs here and there and see what we're going from there.
[00:02:31] Amazing. Yep. And definitely so great to have you on man and we'll just start by getting an introduction for you to this audience and for those who don't know you just tell them a little bit about yourself.
[00:02:45] What do I have in store? Yeah, so just in a nutshell, I've been in tech, I think, I think just over a decade really.
[00:02:57] He all started off when I think just finished the ice cream to be fair, never actually wanted to do IT. He was more, he was more more of that actually convinced me to do IT to be a championship here.
[00:03:08] You know, only go from a strictly family background. Like you better go to school. You're out of a house. That was the story. So it was a situation where I wanted to cause I played it at plows played a beautiful boat for I was rubbish anyway.
[00:03:23] So, much, you know, my passion was to become actually a pilot and then, obviously, I did travel to a reason, much more way up.
[00:03:29] And then I was going to do an apprenticeship to obviously, that wanted to endorse me into becoming a career and obviously I wanted to work my way up through the aviation sector that way.
[00:03:37] And obviously because I enjoyed traveling and it's also for work, like, why not get paid or traveling? So it's a flex right so why not?
[00:03:45] And then yeah, my mom will have in nano visuals if you're going to do that. You're at home a house of like, yeah, long day.
[00:03:50] And yeah, that's how she, you know, sort of, you know, drug me to, you know, drug me for like, made me sign up to do IT like IT level 2 because I live school, you know, GCSEs and then graduate my way up.
[00:04:03] And yeah, that's where you'll start and yeah, first forward, try to go to one down the university route of university route wasn't for me tried one university, demoicard tried another university, demoicard.
[00:04:15] And then at the time I was still at the age range where you could do an internship or you call an apprenticeship in the UK depending upon the word you're from.
[00:04:22] And then obviously that's where the whole take experience started really and that's how I ended up being in a position where I sort of, you know, set a rough as an IT sort of IT support, you know, I got my qualifications, my qualifications a lot.
[00:04:33] And that's how it went to a position where, you know, I enjoyed the roll out, okay, people phones, causing tickets. You're learning everything on the job like everything was on prem, there's nothing like the cloud, there's no, you know, as you know there's no AWS like if you're going to switch you know, you'd literally do it with a like a several up the lot, you know, you did it with like proper, you know, Cisco commander and then we can command so he wasn't none of this, you know, everything is, you know, you call.
[00:04:56] Connectes within, you know, Azure or Entry Entry idea of what it is they saw all that stuff so everything was just a crystal for Columbus like ancient so, you know, so if I was doing a topic about, you know, um, access management group policies, conditional access CTC and you know everything was proper hands on and then obviously with apprenticeship. So that's obviously gradually work more open then yet just didn't but, you know, you're a bunch of rojo really and that's where you're united and I've been stuck 15 years deep.
[00:05:26] Now, so yeah amazing amazing honestly that all the thing about your mom telling you to do I think don't don't you love it for it now.
[00:05:39] You know, do you know what right? I think she saved my life to be honest with you because I think if if I went down the aviation sector of which don't even run out, I do love aviation that's like my little part time hobby.
[00:05:51] But I think I'll do me the position. I mean, I don't know if the people that have met along my career and my path obviously I've missed some great people, you know, on the other side of hobbies or whatnot but in terms of like the scope and the what take can actually benefit you and depending on what avenue can go into because people just think or.
[00:06:11] I'm going to do I see it and my okay one domain, I'm going to go into this cybersecurity within cybersecurity to this pen testing this ethical hacking this auditing this GRC there's there's a thousand domains and you know and then.
[00:06:24] You can digital forensics you can do incident response.
[00:06:27] You can become a software developer so there's like a vast nation of you know domains that you actually can be good because I remember when I was on the service desk.
[00:06:36] There was this guy who is just good at programming and you're actually good at infrastructure so it just shows that, you know, once you find your click or that's the best way to explain when you find your sort of you know click or like you know what actually enjoy you know being hands on or you know you could do you know you become a field engineer or if you're no one person or that's being in the office.
[00:06:56] The world of take is vast if it's just like you've got to find a specific special niche that tell us to what life's that you're going to live so yeah and I think I am grateful for it because I don't think I'll be in a position.
[00:07:07] I mean so yeah yeah, you know, it's giving me quite a few rewards in life you know along as I've progressed with my career and stuff like that so I can't knock it for it so yeah yeah no it was really getting this funny because like.
[00:07:19] It's a similar situation for me to be honest. I mean in in secondary school, my favorite subject was geography.
[00:07:28] I love geography and obviously there's there's people who have studied geography at university level who have done great.
[00:07:35] I'm gone into other stuff but there's very few people who've studied geography that have gone into geography and had a great career and had any sort of career unless it's like teaching and very few other sort of things here and there.
[00:07:46] There's not as much opportunity. So when my parents sort of heard that I wanted to study geography and uni they were like.
[00:07:53] You want to be a geography teacher? I was like, no but I love geography but they cite down basically as I've tried to say.
[00:08:01] They taught me the point in the direction of other things which led me to business computing and led me to what I do today which is amazing.
[00:08:11] I really appreciate my parents for doing that even though they kind of shut down my passion but I do act like when I think back I'm like,
[00:08:20] Wow imagine I did geography. I don't know where I'd be maybe I'd be in a great position maybe not. I'm really happy about the position I'm in right now which is incredible and another thing that I wanted to mention as well.
[00:08:33] It's about your journey with university and you move through like you tried university. Is that it's not for you and moved on?
[00:08:44] Yeah, so at the time when I completed well high school college whatever you want to call it.
[00:08:56] Obviously I got to give a big shout out to my junior Mr. Matthew Z if you're going to watch this yeah he literally held it down for you know held it down for a lot of the classroom because I think we were the we were the
[00:09:10] students. I think I just completed this PGCC to be a teacher and they just ensured that everyone's coursework was 10 10 and everyone in this classroom passed and obviously we made something else about so yeah I got to give him props to that because I wouldn't be in the position that I mean now obviously we still chat here in there whatever but when I when I transition obviously from college on to going on to university I just wanted the same
[00:09:35] You know because I've seen if you made that obviously left high school and then obviously the hard job straight away something came.
[00:09:41] They're making bread and I'm out here looking like what's going on here obviously what are you on you want the money your friends driving cars, you know you are here look you know trying to compare lifestyle or you're you know
[00:09:51] You're all living to somebody else's so I just talked to my path and try the university route and obviously it was quite challenging because you know when you you know young and you full of testosterone you're over the place
[00:10:02] You know you're not your everybody's doing and then I just go caught in the mix and then I was pretty much you know me behaving more than I was studying to refer and then I'm not just going to waste my you know student funding for this and I thought you know what let me just you know try another university and stay away from a friends that
[00:10:18] You know we're sort of you know drugging me down the wrong path and obviously as it'd be coming you know a subject of my own environment and that led me to like obviously
[00:10:29] Going out a lot you know being caught in you know things they know me to be caught up in another four year. This is not you know, I don't want to be 10 years down the line and
[00:10:39] Staving to do the odd job, you know not just respect to any any of a job, but you know have no have it, you know
[00:10:44] Establed career in the lower and where I can solve you know that could open doors and I could take my niece scale to any part of the world or work from wherever
[00:10:51] I want to so that's how I ended up moving to the university
[00:10:56] And funny enough he was actually to study service security and I'm thinking yeah, this is what I do and
[00:11:02] While I saw as much hours of my first university
[00:11:05] The lecture was asking going around the lecture and saying oh
[00:11:08] Again, so what do you know be on your own? I said I want to learn how to hack banks and everyone just laughed at me
[00:11:13] Everyone is speaking. Yeah, this guy's gonna be a crib, you know him this guy is his office
[00:11:18] He's not so good
[00:11:19] So
[00:11:20] But obviously I was actually doing big series and
[00:11:22] Is that yeah, there's actually jobs, you know that pay you to like hack into system because yeah, that's me
[00:11:27] Nothing else
[00:11:28] And then obviously I started looking into it so I discovered yeah, there's a clocking
[00:11:32] So back then when I got into you know set of proximity on labs
[00:11:36] There was something called
[00:11:37] Buck truck four. I don't know for some people that don't know that that's like Khalid and X before being Khalid and X was Khalid and X
[00:11:43] This bugger, but no, I think those bugs are bug truck three bug truck four
[00:11:47] And then those Khalid and those Khalid and X, but I'm talking many million ago
[00:11:51] This is like prior so I said a practicing on you know that Linux, you know
[00:11:55] interesting distro and you know
[00:11:58] You know and the standing one quote, but strike is understanding what metorex
[00:12:03] Floyd and all these applications and you know where I know that oh you can do this. Oh, this is like, you know
[00:12:07] How you can use wash-ups capture, you know
[00:12:10] Packets and ETC so then everything else became self-taught and then when I become self-sufficient
[00:12:14] It actually helped me put me
[00:12:17] You know a leap of you know
[00:12:19] I had really even when I was doing my apprenticeship and when I moved on
[00:12:23] Because that way it showed that my ignorance like you know what this is some book is taking its time and effort to actually understand
[00:12:30] Termologies and technologists that is way way way above his pay rate way way above is, you know
[00:12:35] Absturut a mindset so I always had that how to do you know wanting to do more and wanted to exceed more and
[00:12:40] Just to make things easy for myself and yeah, and that's the same methodology methodology
[00:12:46] And the ideologies have used for the past what you know in my career to be honest because
[00:12:50] Because a long way because I think the more you apply within your free time, you know as opposed to that okay
[00:12:56] I don't know a service duty engineer and all I do wanted to Friday do not do more than
[00:13:02] Then without doing the due diligence to actually step to day up skilling and
[00:13:06] Being in a position where you're understanding what the layers trends are within you on whether whether they need take layoffs
[00:13:11] A company's hiring how does you know you know
[00:13:20] Entity whether you know public sector, you know if there's any job cards and ETC so you sort of you know have to stay
[00:13:26] You know still you're still in your niche really. I'm just telling your God really
[00:13:32] Amazing amazing and that leads perfectly on to what I wanted to ask you next
[00:13:37] Because then so I've seen like
[00:13:39] You know just because I've been following your journey for a while
[00:13:42] I've seen yeah all the certifications training that you're doing even the other day when I was Mrs
[00:13:49] Like I'm on try hat me right now
[00:13:53] Do some project
[00:13:55] Someone that is constantly learning yeah and and the thing is
[00:14:00] That's probably the biggest thing a lot of people struggle with in this industry. Yeah, it's like you know you get comfortable
[00:14:06] Right you stop learning or you know you learn one or two things at the beginning stop even me personally
[00:14:12] I could say that that's something that I can struggle with
[00:14:16] From time to time so I just wanted to ask you about
[00:14:19] You know your method when it comes to to study and and and and learning and keeping up today
[00:14:25] Even with certifications or with courses what sort of your method as well as like your motivation as well
[00:14:32] Easy, that's a that's a very good question and a loaded question so I want to try and break it down in bid so that he makes sense
[00:14:38] Yeah
[00:14:40] My methodology of when I started on you know doing search and I'm a big advocate on
[00:14:46] As you obscure as you gradually get experience in your career you obscure so search
[00:14:52] Obscure search obscure like obviously as as you as you go with the experience as well
[00:14:57] So I am not big fun of you know collecting budgets, you know only gave greatly
[00:15:02] But oh I've got my network plus I've got myself I've got my you know
[00:15:06] Secure whatever I've got ABC. They I'm a big fan of labs because when I when I started off I'm a family
[00:15:13] Like he was literally hands of dollar. Okay, this is what the CPU does okay
[00:15:17] When you're looking at the bios when you obviously
[00:15:19] I've done couple of rows where it's deployment more than you do dealing with like CCM
[00:15:23] I don't know CCM is like
[00:15:27] An application that configures
[00:15:28] Um
[00:15:30] Which for this devices within an organization so for instance if teams needs to be on border and what's going to machine or set
[00:15:37] You know
[00:15:38] Secure job days needs to date it most businesses either use that or they use
[00:15:43] You know, they either use as you're to obviously
[00:15:46] You know or with the image through you know a particular device or whatever
[00:15:50] So that's that in a nutshell so I'm I'm a massive fan believe it. I'm a massive fan believing in sure in that
[00:15:57] You you find the right balance between
[00:15:59] Doing the search right to make sure that your
[00:16:03] Understanding is in check right and also being a position to document or have a portfolio of your work
[00:16:11] And thirdly lastly we last but not least as well is get a mental
[00:16:16] Because being in a position where
[00:16:19] You can have somebody who's been there don't even got the t-shirt it saves you and shaved years and years of
[00:16:25] You have been to do it and obviously having to guess labs and it's okay, you know what it's not work take us
[00:16:30] No for me, but are you doing the due diligence are you going to networking events are you networking with people on
[00:16:36] Social media platforms are you you know, you know, oh
[00:16:40] Are you you know what sort of you know
[00:16:42] Serts of you don't oh I've done a security plus I want to serve the security around get 100,000 times
[00:16:46] Me it doesn't work like like I had that mindset like listen, okay. I've done my
[00:16:51] Because Sarah's I was security course and this time but believe me or not the man of night
[00:16:55] I stayed up motivated to do that. I was high on redboard of which is not that I don't advise nobody's drinking a redboard
[00:17:03] Do I mean so I was you know, I was like I now will I'm as well just out here and I'm just like yeah
[00:17:07] You know you sleep to prep because you that hungry and to terminate
[00:17:10] same into obviously get the work done and you know
[00:17:14] And obviously pass the search but the other disadvantage of of
[00:17:19] I'm not an advocate of like you know search or maybe doing like the free courses through maybe
[00:17:24] That's this could do offer or maybe a course on coseris like the majority of the answers are they on the internet
[00:17:30] So at the end of the day I could just in your link like a copy desance as somebody's done the test that prior before you doing it
[00:17:36] You jump on cero
[00:17:38] Cero gives you a seven day subscription
[00:17:40] Whatever free free license free subscription
[00:17:42] You do the course with these seven days and then you just pull you
[00:17:45] You get it. You lovely batch. That says oh
[00:17:48] Then so
[00:17:49] You've passed you go to go now I'm ready for cyber then when you you know when you sort of you know
[00:17:55] Ask him like okay, can you just explain to me that you know the I am basic I
[00:17:58] It's fundamentals like how do we're components networking fundamentals like the the basic I always I model you know
[00:18:05] Infrastructure devices IP addressing IPv4 you know all those type of things and
[00:18:10] And then obviously you know like the way I truck my work on the way obviously managed that is
[00:18:15] I've actually got mentors from I'm actually gonna put you on some game now
[00:18:19] I'm actually I went to I went to a cyber security conference. I won't just add a go into them to be honest
[00:18:24] I know using the cyber security is like a tech composition because the dtx Manchester and I'm pointing
[00:18:29] Obviously it doesn't mind me saying this name for a point into some guy called Josh is from Imperial training
[00:18:34] Obviously lovely guys, you know they I think they grew before there's a guy called Robbie
[00:18:40] one
[00:18:41] AJ and
[00:18:42] Josh so I'm pointing to Josh
[00:18:44] Oh, I mean tech is what's going on how you doing
[00:18:47] Whatever so the dtx
[00:18:50] So for those that don't know what dtx is so dtx they do host a
[00:18:54] free
[00:18:55] Exhibitions for people in tech companies do go there and plays good go there
[00:19:00] Equipment companies go there you have M.Ds direct there's just normal people it just in had different
[00:19:04] Caribbers of all walks of life and it's a good way to network get to know people and just get to find people within your niche of
[00:19:11] You know what you do and I'm a massive massive massive massive part of it. I would know be here
[00:19:18] Like wouldn't be here if you know he wasn't you know, they're working under
[00:19:22] So I bumped into Josh
[00:19:25] We we got talking and said oh, what did you do? I'm trying to say about this is the script
[00:19:31] Because I mean my me and my large way so got this business running, you know, because do with you know
[00:19:36] Spreading the word out there then like you know give him a feedback while I was from somebody who's not in that sector
[00:19:40] You know, you know, trying to work on you know, just for sure media take talk and obviously they're quite you know
[00:19:46] Just constantly when it comes to feedback and of which was great. So obviously
[00:19:50] Josh thought yeah this guy is probably talking rubbish. I'm never gonna see him again
[00:19:53] I'm so me so we kept we kept in touch and then invite him into
[00:19:57] They actually I feel yeah it would come here
[00:20:00] So
[00:20:01] That's how you buy him you over to say to London actually
[00:20:04] And said oh, then so the ventures it's come to London. I was like yeah
[00:20:07] Anything to get networking so literally drove all the way like five and a five hours to for my location
[00:20:13] So London and he was actually surprised I actually got there for like six in the morning. So yeah do them after so
[00:20:18] drove early hours in the morning got there and that was probably one of my best experiences now working as spoke to see
[00:20:23] wheels and obviously I've seen what the great work that comes to doing the background how the
[00:20:27] Certification is changing one more applications are coming
[00:20:30] The fact that continues at gender neutral
[00:20:33] accreditation company of which hot weight
[00:20:36] Obviously you've got the there was obviously outlining how
[00:20:40] Most of the work most of the
[00:20:44] Curricular mandor their labs and each is you will be changing moving forward and that's when I became a massive advocate
[00:20:48] And then obviously they also do something called
[00:20:51] They're called their labs so for instance if you're doing your and security
[00:20:55] Sorry your ape your
[00:20:57] No, no, no, you're all it now
[00:20:59] Is it a plus yeah
[00:21:01] Yeah, that's like that's like you know IT basic 101 and even some of the labs on there actually one once on there
[00:21:09] You know labs and obviously there's some stuff that I've done over the years and I'm thinking Jesus. I need to you know
[00:21:14] Like jump on there and be in a position where like to to re-coup my mind and that's what you open my horizon
[00:21:19] And then obviously that's how I ended up joining the the community they've got community on school
[00:21:23] So basically what they've got like a freestander chair and the gods and the chairs are so
[00:21:28] I remember both and I've just been you know, I'm a massive advocate of lack in people obviously they're called empirical training
[00:21:35] I'll leave all the details in there
[00:21:37] I would recommend anybody to get them into depending on one line of work you're in
[00:21:42] Whether you're in UB or what do you think you know can't get into take or it's impossible
[00:21:46] Even soft skills that you have as a person you could use those soft skills to transfer them onto the road that you
[00:21:52] Transcending into or into the industry that yeah, but some people just think or
[00:21:56] Cause I've seen situations I've had people pop me on LinkedIn said oh hey, Denzo. I've seen your profile your goals of search
[00:22:02] You do what you do
[00:22:04] And I'm studying my master's degree in cyber security. I said mate. Are you feeling alright like
[00:22:10] No disrespect to your gravity or your hustle they trying to do but like for you to be a
[00:22:14] Critic if you're a master's degree because obviously even when you put that on your resume you're over qualified
[00:22:19] And then obviously from a HR perspective
[00:22:21] They'll be in a position to say and I've had it before well like you know what you've got to minister to
[00:22:25] Oberkollified and then he refers back to the point when I was saying you become
[00:22:29] You become more as much collecting as supposed to having that practical hands on experience like
[00:22:34] It might like it might in my perspective now. I've got something called excuse excuse metrics
[00:22:38] So I'll share I'll share with you obviously you know after they whatever
[00:22:44] Report us and everything else and basically what are the skills metrics works and how obviously how I'll go and introduce to this
[00:22:51] By my mentors I'm very pertaining but I think who's Andrew Jones. That's his name
[00:22:57] But he goes by AJ and this is right okay, let's refer to this you've done your a plus or no
[00:23:02] It's close you can take off if you can take off the skills the skills metrics that you can show an impregnancy
[00:23:07] Just a look I'm being mentioned by ABCD these guys are been in the take game for in the cyber whatever
[00:23:13] A service space for the past 20 years and they put experience the their presentations that they're ETC
[00:23:17] That way one an employer or let's say funny the reference, you know from any of my mentors
[00:23:23] They'll say oh I worked with Denzo he said he you know is he's ways as one paper
[00:23:27] He's done the labs he's done the assessments. He's done he's done the labs on you know
[00:23:31] ETC and they'll be like okay, you know, and then that's that she's
[00:23:36] You know a bunch of mistakes that you know people just they're okay. Let me try to hack me. Let me try hackbox
[00:23:41] Let me jump on and let me jump on ABC because all those others platforms are great
[00:23:46] No get me wrong they're great
[00:23:48] But then I think when you have mentors that've been there during the T-Share even like in your line of work
[00:23:52] Let's say cloud engineer and
[00:23:55] Somalize right okay, I want to jump on cloud
[00:23:56] I've got my A's is something something whatever A's if an event is you know, I'm now ready to be cloud engineer
[00:24:02] Then you can make it's a book or a shortcut to go up or
[00:24:06] Our massive massive massively
[00:24:08] Advise anybody just to get a mentor get somebody who's been there turning code the T-Share
[00:24:13] Do you do you do your due diligence and ensure that
[00:24:18] When you when you look at somebody is you know experience and tax that I mean
[00:24:22] Certifications are great. I don't knock it but ensure that they know what they're talking about they you know
[00:24:27] You know, you know, you know, you're you're doing your due diligence you're following the right people that
[00:24:32] Obviously are already in the sector that you're in and have a great guy and another another great guy that obviously
[00:24:38] Recommend is
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[00:24:53] Does it and they jump to this world that guy is under eight. I don't really realize yeah
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[00:25:53] I wanted to just jump in on some of the things you said that
[00:25:58] For one just talking about
[00:26:00] the importance of
[00:26:03] Doing the work
[00:26:04] I think we've spoken about this a few times with a few guests. I think you know people have stressed the importance of certifications
[00:26:13] But but but everyone who's expressed you know how great certifications are has also said
[00:26:18] You've got to actually do the stuff that your learning as well. Yeah, the the knowledge is is not enough because when you actually get into the
[00:26:28] Yeah, the the interview stage or wherever wherever you go next you have to be able to explain what you've done
[00:26:34] From a practical sort of viewpoint. So so I think the key thing here is
[00:26:40] What it's whatever certification you do you can't just
[00:26:43] You know get the answers and do it you've actually got to know
[00:26:47] What you've learned in terms of the theory you actually got to be able to do it and you can only learn that through labing it
[00:26:53] Trying it out through doing the the projects of the labs and doing the work and that's okay. Yeah, absolutely absolutely
[00:27:02] I'm them I've I'll forever carry on repeating it like
[00:27:07] Experience safety patients experience
[00:27:09] Attendant be your safety questions, but do you know be a bunch of elected because trust me
[00:27:13] I have seen you or you could have a basic conversation and then you you know you asked somebody said
[00:27:18] Can you please tell me I don't know they say okay. I have you know I've tried hack me you know
[00:27:23] What's got this
[00:27:26] Try hack me and I've completed this sock and Alice
[00:27:29] The sock whatever and then you ask him can you just point you know tell me one basic you know
[00:27:35] Linux command
[00:27:36] They're able to do that
[00:27:37] Can you please obviously tell me the basics you know on you know security basics in terms of you know
[00:27:42] Thread landscape, you know the type of you know type of you know
[00:27:46] Thread vectors my way types, you know attack vectors and the study very good is and you know
[00:27:51] You even even the difference between you know risk management, you know physical security, you know
[00:27:56] You know understanding different you know so frameworks within you know
[00:27:59] Knowing the difference between you know authentication and authorization you know
[00:28:03] Understanding the difference between MFA and password policies
[00:28:06] The protection and privacy, you know understanding different you know
[00:28:10] Different privacy and laws, you know when he comes to the LSE GDPR
[00:28:13] You go hyper you've got you know, so you know
[00:28:17] CCPA you know or different you know or different type of you know
[00:28:20] So it just goes a long way with this. I don't know excuse me. I promise to give you to plus
[00:28:25] I want that 100 hundred k-job, you know, I'm just gonna
[00:28:29] Get into that industry and things are kind of away from there and I'm also and like I'm not gonna knock any
[00:28:36] You know training code trainees you've companies that offer beat comes because I have I believe I think there's a stigma where or
[00:28:42] You pay maybe a thousand pounds of a thousand dollars depending what part of your dreams
[00:28:45] It's okay, we'll guarantee you a job on this stuff because that in the day if they economy's bad and there's loads of
[00:28:50] Quite there's loads of take layouts. You think okay and minus nine grand minus 10,000 pounds of minus
[00:28:55] What thousand pounds we if you know just by clicking and watching videos because I've been there
[00:28:59] Do you have tried it and then when I go pro part of I should people already will in the sector
[00:29:02] Do your labs jump on this and just listen to the people that are doing what you want to be because they've been there
[00:29:09] Don't they do that for a living one day today basis and
[00:29:12] At the other day all these training all these traineeship companies where you know there's a cause for nine
[00:29:17] I don't know hundred pounds or something they're job is to literally sell you something
[00:29:21] Because you're the consumer you're the product
[00:29:23] At the other day so you might expect if what I'll do is I'll just go on the labs
[00:29:27] Depending less differences if I want to do digital forensic or whatever our jump on sons for those people that don't know sons
[00:29:34] Just to look that up
[00:29:36] Their content is quite a great because it's not cheap as well. I think closer that maybe
[00:29:42] Maybe five or 10,000 pounds if I'm on this taken so yeah, so yeah the quiet heavy but then as soon as you have that
[00:29:48] And recruit and see that you've got those you know our creditations under your belt
[00:29:51] That holds a lot of way as opposed to having a never plus a security plus because then they'll say okay
[00:29:56] It's goes
[00:29:57] You know
[00:29:58] Digital forensics and incident response, you know, it is and you know, you know
[00:30:03] How to how can three-agent or less of a friendship we need to do more banalities or maybe it's good at iOS
[00:30:09] Digital forensics and you know working on you know, you know retrieving day and that's up
[00:30:13] Stuff so you have to like
[00:30:15] I want to say wash your book and understand your niche to the core and like you have to live it and bring it to a
[00:30:20] San Diego and I can said get a mentor you can never go or
[00:30:24] Probably the worst thing I've ever done we're gonna
[00:30:26] So we're gonna jump into your advice on
[00:30:30] I'm getting into the industry in a second but before we get into that
[00:30:35] I wanted to talk to you about something that we haven't really got on the chance to talk to on the podcast because
[00:30:41] I don't know many who have really gone into the contracting space like you have
[00:30:48] Just from following you on
[00:30:50] Yeah, you know you're picking up contracts and working different roles and that sort of thing yeah, so even for my understanding
[00:30:57] I want to just understand what a little bit more about you know that contracting space how it sort of works
[00:31:05] And also yeah just like the pros and cons of
[00:31:09] Contractive versus permanent employee
[00:31:13] In your thoughts on that having
[00:31:15] Done yourself yeah absolutely
[00:31:18] I've done paim rose don't be wrong in the past
[00:31:20] That's the rope on you know first line support second line. Do the bill
[00:31:26] Their side so forward their side seem laid and
[00:31:30] You know you work in an organization some organizations of course is all over the country
[00:31:34] Some who have been beaming and landed Manchester Edinburgh Glasgow Island
[00:31:38] We have to be around different offices depending for depending on different business purposes and for me
[00:31:45] I want you sort of you know advance up. I want it to like I want to fast forward my career or be to the position
[00:31:50] One more but I thought you know what when you do the same job being day in there
[00:31:53] They career progression is quite you're moving that slow pace as opposed to
[00:31:58] I wasn't where one need to be anyway, and I thought you know let me just challenge myself and
[00:32:02] I left a very good
[00:32:05] permanent job not gonna lie because as soon as leaving my money is a look to me like just guy
[00:32:11] Like you're in drugs or something. I was going on and I was like yeah, I'm just gonna do my own thing and
[00:32:16] I was actually motivated by my uncle
[00:32:19] He is a senior cybersecurity consultant and I just seen the flexibility of the how the man was leaving
[00:32:24] And I was like that's me that or day long and then I think he also gave me the edge to sort of you know
[00:32:32] Just challenge myself really so the pros that come with it obviously
[00:32:36] Financials you're finished rewarding. I'm not gonna lie and depending on what you work
[00:32:41] Let's say if you're based in London and you're dead-line engineer you're talking five maybe between the 400 to
[00:32:48] 700 marker if you're networking engineer or your service crew to consult and ask
[00:32:55] That's been also yeah, but that's been it yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's that's but they and I've seen those figures and I've seen people in those figures
[00:33:02] and I've been interested into a
[00:33:05] I'm obviously not gonna pour out my financial details out there. Yeah, yeah, there is money out there to be made in contracting like I said if you find the right
[00:33:12] Domain or slash niche that you want to do I've got I've got me one at a moment
[00:33:16] He is currently living in Turkey because it's cheap so he's doing a contract roll for I think six months is living in Turkey the moment and
[00:33:26] He doesn't mind me saying this for his day raise about 8.50 a day. I'm gonna put you to pound today
[00:33:31] and he
[00:33:33] They are accommodation of where he paid I think you only paid about
[00:33:36] 1.9 100 just
[00:33:41] Inclusive for however long you want to stay there, so that just obviously with the current cost of living to the maps is really
[00:33:46] Mapsing really make a sense of
[00:33:50] So
[00:33:51] Whether they cost of living or whatever but that obviously it's also got a sense of advantages
[00:33:55] So the disadvantage is warning to come self-employment to become a contractor and
[00:33:59] Your work doesn't really stop there so for instance
[00:34:02] You'll have to be if your CV is tailored or you're linked in profile it's tailored
[00:34:07] In a way where it's attractive to
[00:34:10] recruiters and it shows that you know you've done a beer project work
[00:34:13] You've had it you've had
[00:34:16] Recommendations or LinkedIn from directors or even a hiring manager that you worked with
[00:34:20] Or even a recruitment
[00:34:21] Somebody that plays you in a row at least you've created you've created a connection where whenever rock comes in
[00:34:27] Just message you I just get cause here in the candle light or then you're interested is a position here
[00:34:33] Like yeah, not the market cut your plate. Oh, are you sure this that and obviously you also need to understand and know your worth
[00:34:40] In terms of how much your CV is worth based on experience so you need to put in same keywords
[00:34:45] Set in experiences you've done because believe me or not
[00:34:48] You can talk a whole lot of rubbish on a CV but trust me hiring manager cut you out like you come plug it
[00:34:52] You can you know you you really get you know get call out
[00:34:56] You said you know DCHP can you just tell me the difference in between
[00:35:01] Dynamic IP address and the menu IP address when I have what's that and then yeah, you get call out
[00:35:06] You know, and you know how do you troubleshoot a basic networking issue?
[00:35:10] Okay, what's the difference between in March and the you know
[00:35:12] Emotion at work and the peer to peer network so all those you know all those network to colleges
[00:35:17] You know understanding all that so you also have to be in a position where like you know
[00:35:21] If there's different type of you know contracts so there's rose that inside our 35 and there's rose that our side our
[00:35:27] Type so basically what
[00:35:29] What are our 35 is is is it's a tax legislation that was brought by the governor to sort of
[00:35:35] Tax contractors if that makes it that makes way makes sense because at the time I think when as far as I'm aware
[00:35:41] When I read when I was a quiet I read up you know, I read up on you know
[00:35:44] Sort of the legislation when he comes to tax whatever because that affects my line of work
[00:35:47] If I'm doing an engagement with a client and they say the rose outside out there five that obviously
[00:35:52] You need to have your limited company where you're adjusted under you know on company house and they they look at details
[00:35:57] It's you see whatever if you've very registered
[00:36:00] You know you do your taxes you've gone account and the dinner the day and then obviously you know
[00:36:04] You'll have to do your own admin work, so it's a lot of work work. I mean the financial rewards are great
[00:36:09] Don't be wrong by aware as if you in a peer mirror
[00:36:12] You know from the first of generated the first of whatever
[00:36:15] The wages to the same if he's 50k is 50k but one month you could have like three months
[00:36:21] You could have no work six months. You could have no work and then you could have like a contract for like let's say three months
[00:36:25] And then that will see you good for the rest of the year like I know powers where
[00:36:28] What I'm a powers is an auditor you only works he's only call like five companies like audits
[00:36:34] And yeah, yeah, he's his bank balance looks like a phone number. I'm not gonna lie
[00:36:38] So I'll just like wow, so there's this different there's this different there's different avenues of how to go about it
[00:36:43] And then I think you also need to do your due diligence in terms of
[00:36:48] You know having good rapport with and the clients that you work with because I think he goes so he can save you a long way in terms of
[00:36:56] They that manage a may have moved on another company. They said oh I will take care of I will do them
[00:37:01] Oh he does such and search and then that report goes a long way because now you've no letter
[00:37:05] But taste in that company's mouth to say you know what this is what is done and you know ETC so yeah
[00:37:12] And obviously just to just to touch on the title on the texting as well on the arrow that you might
[00:37:16] So wait and to find this there were arrow 85 works is a lot of contractors try to stay away from arrow 85 rolls due to the fact that
[00:37:24] On a taxation basis let's say for instance if your day raise 200 pounds right and
[00:37:29] If you do two by five last 20 so about what about about a thousand pounds. Yeah
[00:37:35] So when you do the tax calculation this is for that week you're being touched about I'll probably say 40% so about four in two pounds
[00:37:42] That's just in taxes so a lot of people tries their way so they're higher day, right?
[00:37:46] So do them have so let's say do anything thousand pounds a month
[00:37:51] That is being dropped off of 40% so a lot of contractors do you know like it because it's like flipping it
[00:37:57] Out of this you know, I would rather have you know
[00:37:59] Do you do an engagement where you know I do more on taxes? I write off as much as whatever but I think each of my
[00:38:05] See I try and see clamp on that because a lot of people just yeah, so yeah, I've heard I've heard quite a bit about
[00:38:11] About that and how yeah contractors you know this this ways with taxes and how the government is again
[00:38:17] It's trying to you know I've heard a lot of the talks but no way
[00:38:21] There is just no way
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[00:38:46] Another thing I wanted to clarify for the audiences
[00:38:49] Yeah, they're probably hearing these salaries like what like this probably confusing to certain people when they hear oh
[00:38:55] Why why is a permanent person getting this and at the same company a contractor is getting this yeah, so
[00:39:01] So from your perspective why why is that what is why do you contract these get paid so yeah? Yeah
[00:39:07] That's a good question. It's like I think as a as a contractor
[00:39:12] Contract is an on to come into a role get a ground running get things get a ball rolling you don't you know training is just
[00:39:19] Guns blazing on day one
[00:39:21] You know day one they show how you do the systems you know how you manage this how you triars this and then day two
[00:39:26] Your on your own is what it is because with them time is money each day that you're not being productive
[00:39:30] They made you you you you can submit your invoice at the end of the week on a Friday and get paid the following one day or whatever
[00:39:37] And then you're game paid like two grandja then minus two grand because the productivity levels is not
[00:39:42] I've not dropped because they're thinking hold on a minute, but whereas
[00:39:46] Obviously as a contractor you don't get on holiday pay don't get on sick pay
[00:39:50] If you don't say no, no pay I mean you can if as a permit you know you get paternity leave you get such and search
[00:39:57] You know you get you know other hot, you know benefit to T.C. So if you're working for an American company
[00:40:02] You or your you're off when the American bank holiday is it is a and
[00:40:07] If you're the decimalizations that obviously do operate on a tune for our basis where you do fall on fall off
[00:40:13] You know four days off and four nights and then you
[00:40:16] You know more routine and obviously that obviously misses up your psychedium rhythm which is like your sleep part
[00:40:21] So it's not for the fin high as well
[00:40:24] And then yeah, so the there's this this this quiet made many variables and in terms of if you in a position
[00:40:29] Well, like you know component with this career progression and they encourage career progression. Yeah, I don't you know
[00:40:34] Don't don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to drag everybody to the contract anymore because it's not for the fin high
[00:40:38] It you own job boards every day you reply back to email
[00:40:41] The recruit is a ghosting you. I had a lot of I get a lot of affair recruit as a ghost you
[00:40:47] Yeah, you got you great for this whatever you call this gives me that yeah, I was going on and sorry
[00:40:51] Been unsuccessful is what it is so you just got to take the elses the com but unfortunately when you do get that when you have
[00:40:57] You when you do have a fixed niche where your network engineer you go your Cisco
[00:41:01] You go your CNN a you've got your
[00:41:05] Accreditation everybody you experienced then yeah eventually the money will come but if you're just driven to like you know
[00:41:10] I'm gonna chase the bike. I want to be getting 15 grounded date. Yeah, that takes years and believe me
[00:41:15] You know sometimes
[00:41:18] Contracting benefits obviously for me out of the flexibility when I can work or not I can work when I want
[00:41:23] And it gives me the you know the freedom to say okay, but the next whatever
[00:41:27] I'm going to be made focusing on you know maybe going back to you know my my labs and you know set up
[00:41:33] My project will have been working on but whereas if you in a family you're gonna take holiday whatever such and search
[00:41:38] You have to you know don't need time you have office of it on the weekend maybe you go a family in poor kids and then
[00:41:44] You go the wife or home need to see whatever and then maybe you'll be great during the family and you know
[00:41:49] It is situation where you can't have that time off but as a contractor is it
[00:41:54] You know you get a flexibility in dynamic and then obviously with this, you know
[00:41:57] What is roseware they're becoming quite remote now?
[00:42:00] You could be in a position where you entirely right as long as you work up alongside the times of you know the UK
[00:42:06] Whatever
[00:42:07] UK times you can pretty much do the work from more anywhere in the world read it, so I think that's that's another process as well with it
[00:42:14] So imagine you know living and you know in a cheap part of the world and then you're getting a UK salary on top of
[00:42:20] Being where you're at so it's not impossible but a lot of companies hate it. Well, yeah, is what it is for yeah
[00:42:25] Amazing, now that's a good clarification for that for those wondering about
[00:42:29] You know what why is it they get paid so much in that sort of thing?
[00:42:33] So it's really helpful and I wanted to jump into our next sort of topic that we want to talk about
[00:42:40] And we just want I already got so much value from you already then so and
[00:42:45] Specifically going into the what your advice is on getting into tech you already get us so many so many points throughout this conversation
[00:42:54] Yeah, but I wanted to just ask you up front for those aspiring to get into tech industry
[00:43:00] What is your advice your general advice on how they go from zero to tech professional?
[00:43:08] What would you advice people?
[00:43:11] Zero. Oh, that's a very good question. Okay. Oh wow
[00:43:17] I think just get started
[00:43:19] Just get started just
[00:43:21] Do you know what like yeah just get started?
[00:43:25] Genomeen um being a position well like we don't into it try and error because I think if you don't try if you're not if you're not putting yourself forward
[00:43:33] And you know trying you know you know you're not you're not moving you're not
[00:43:36] Elevating and get up your comfort zone
[00:43:39] Genomeen I took the leap of faith left a very good well page of you know
[00:43:43] It was they probably easy job. I've ever done to defend for what I was game paid
[00:43:47] Yeah, life was pushed to that but
[00:43:49] Gail of your comfort zone meet people talk to people don't be afraid to network. I mean I've always said right your network is your network and
[00:43:56] My meaning my meaning behind that is if you're stuck around by
[00:44:01] Let's say your boys or your girls or your your mind them from back in a day
[00:44:07] Like yeah, it will be boys this way young this this what it is like sometimes elevation elevation requires separations on many levels
[00:44:13] So you gotta put yourself in a position if you have to leave life like a monk avoid alcohol avoid parting
[00:44:19] Girls avoid boys it is you whatever and just leave life like a monk and being a position where you can like you know
[00:44:26] what
[00:44:28] Just get started yeah, that's that's the best okay, but it just we'll get get started. You know
[00:44:35] Go to an area, you know
[00:44:37] Find out you know if there's any sort of events around area that you from
[00:44:41] Obviously we discussed in the past you talk about but I've got to take I've got to take you know
[00:44:44] They event and they vendors meant to come to you. Never happened. But yeah, it's gonna happen
[00:44:48] Yeah, sure
[00:44:49] Blacks first yeah, Blacks first does the one but yeah just get started and then we leave we'll even there and now
[00:44:57] Information there's vast amount of information but then trying to find their right adequate information and the right content out there
[00:45:02] It's quite difficult because information is saturated so for you be who's not been in the sector before they're thinking you know
[00:45:09] Am I gonna listen to Denzo and we're gonna listen to Caleb?
[00:45:11] But I'm gonna listen to some guy from America who was talking about
[00:45:15] Oh yeah, I'm gonna
[00:45:17] I'm I jumped on to five hundred k you know from zero to whatever but they've not talked about
[00:45:22] The struggle that for somebody who can relate to the line of work that obviously they're in the UK
[00:45:27] I want to be a contract or I want to be from a consultant
[00:45:30] They will understand okay, you need to limit your company. You need to be very registered
[00:45:33] You need your VAT register you need you need to understand RFA
[00:45:36] You need to understand the terms of engagement you need to understand you know as your business as your business as a
[00:45:43] Business insurance in case you'll help you live with that contract or if the business so there's there's many variables where you have to sort of
[00:45:50] You know just get started and just do your research so then out there or just get a mentor because at the end of the day
[00:45:56] If somebody came out to me said oh
[00:45:57] Then I want to jump into tech. I don't know it just that I'll more than happy give you free games. I listen
[00:46:02] Why is it that you want to do oh I want to learn about networking and then giving me a few laps to try out and such you know
[00:46:08] Go and then do you know go off you go here's what you need to do if it's for you and you think like
[00:46:12] You got a mindset for it then by all means I'll be more than happy just you know to be your mentor
[00:46:17] Then you know
[00:46:18] Training you open, you know in the best way that kind of but like I said my my honest opinion from that is just get started
[00:46:24] Just get started and have the right and have the right support now working with people around you because I think that the day is not what you're not
[00:46:30] Is from you know and who's around you
[00:46:32] Amazing I appreciate that a lot and just just get started and I want to fix that appreciate about your dancers
[00:46:37] They keep it 100% man. You keep it you keep it real from from the jump from
[00:46:42] Beginning 10 and I really appreciate that and in the conversation is not going to be one of
[00:46:49] You know this is it's gonna be real in genuine and it's from your journey and and I can say for my journey
[00:46:57] hasn't been easy
[00:46:59] And I've spoken about the
[00:47:02] The elves I've taken yeah on on the channel. I've spoken about the job I was fired from
[00:47:09] All the suffocations that I'd do
[00:47:11] Like just studying I've had to do more like and all that stuff and
[00:47:18] And it's great to have like people around you who would just keep it real and in and you know
[00:47:23] Tell you what you need to do and it just help you through that that process because I know
[00:47:27] Definitely for a lot of people is not easy people people people people look for jobs for a
[00:47:32] For a year sometimes because and a lot of the times us because they're not speaking to the right people
[00:47:39] That can guide them in the right ways right absolutely so having the those people that they've done it
[00:47:46] And they can show you how to do it or at least put you on the best path to do it
[00:47:50] Is really important and and really really helpful in your journey
[00:47:55] Yeah absolutely and just to add on top of what you just mentioned there
[00:47:58] I think
[00:48:00] You also need to be in a position where you'll understand your mentors are like you can
[00:48:07] Put in in my face value with experience that they are
[00:48:09] accreditation and you know the skills that they've got to understand
[00:48:13] You know what they're trying to put you on because obviously that's in the best free game
[00:48:16] There's a for instance you came to me, so try it then I want to jump on a contract and see
[00:48:20] I was like listen I'll save you loads of house or sell up to two three-dimetic companies
[00:48:24] Make sure one is very registered
[00:48:26] ETC maybe set up one in obviously whatever said it off whatever ETC
[00:48:31] That way let's approach this because I know I have no people where they put two contracts on the go where they do that regular 95
[00:48:37] And then they'll do American US hours for me, but I'm American company
[00:48:40] Because they've got language America, so yeah, they do those hours to whatever a giggle blvf sleep on them often
[00:48:46] The grand they go
[00:48:47] But in that way it works for some people. Obviously you kind of the house or the house for ease what it is
[00:48:51] But just be in a position where like get mental and just network network network get out there
[00:48:57] There is a lot going on in tech even I didn't we I'm still learning to today. I'm 15 years deep and like there is a lot going on
[00:49:04] And people are doing things and then could just be a situation where like you could be trying to like a CEO or you could try into the chief financial officer you could be speaking to
[00:49:13] The hiring stack manager for TikTok or you could be they could just be in the same predicament
[00:49:18] And I oh we need you know
[00:49:19] You know more people to get into this land, you know, I'll feel the work because I think people back in the day people just thought people and take us to
[00:49:26] In the dark I'm go gaming room. Obviously I've got a gaming room. I don't know monster with you know hair growing out of the ears and everything else and you know
[00:49:38] But those ideologies are long gone like that then based a long gone so
[00:49:42] Just just get out there and just you know be sociable and just get out of your own environment and just like obviously go to October events
[00:49:49] Network and being a position like just get out there months get out there network and you know talk to people because that's another day
[00:49:56] If you don't know what somebody does this. Oh, I mean just in what you do
[00:49:59] You know you always go in on you know you go to school and holidays you know you always living your best life like what's the script?
[00:50:04] You whatever so now but I've you know
[00:50:07] I'm seeing now like people within the tech sector coming out they domain and belong okay
[00:50:11] They're not occupied they're more close back in a day
[00:50:13] When I started trying to ask somebody from infrastructure or
[00:50:17] You know how do you do you know how do you do you know? How do you know? How do you know? How do you know?
[00:50:22] What's the difference between a rapsia and you know ETC what's an MPLS? What's a VLAN
[00:50:26] They're looking like well, they're what the hell is this guy like we talking more
[00:50:31] But yeah everything is all enclosed in but just tell them ask questions that there isn't one thing other
[00:50:36] But if you don't know ask don't just assume that you know it just ask ask ask ask
[00:50:40] There's nothing like outloaf and somebody asks me to find your questions on like you know what you're eager to learn
[00:50:46] You eager to let me one into line. Yeah, so that's that's money tip
[00:50:50] Yeah, I can get very great and and
[00:50:54] We we've come to my my favorite part in the in the podcast and once again
[00:51:00] Everyone everyone no one will escape this question
[00:51:04] No one will escape this question all right and the question is
[00:51:09] For you what what is one
[00:51:11] Interesting career story
[00:51:14] Whether it's interesting good like it has been a great thing that's happened
[00:51:18] It's interesting bad as something terrible and hard has happened
[00:51:22] What is one interesting career story that's happened to you in your career wow
[00:51:28] I'm trying to think now wow
[00:51:31] I have a few but there's one where I was
[00:51:36] Senior service desk contractor for this
[00:51:41] For this commissioner, we just stay company and
[00:51:45] What happened was there was some sort of litigation solidification something means
[00:51:50] Where process of how and how's it being sorting process or this transaction in process and you know this all the
[00:51:56] Galitha paper work on and what discovered was there was I think he was like a direct of like
[00:52:02] Comemational litigation sub behind me and
[00:52:05] He will speak to somebody on my old firm of
[00:52:08] Where is the work and then what happened was there was a
[00:52:12] Business email compromise of which I ended up detecting cause he saved another minute
[00:52:16] The email of this particular individual
[00:52:19] It's not right because whatever so then I just for yeah automatically. I said 50
[00:52:24] So obviously consider in the fact that I've done quite a lot of you know publishing emails
[00:52:27] You know based on you know on my service computer loves and you know you know when it comes to like spirit
[00:52:32] email publishing an ETC so
[00:52:35] surprisingly
[00:52:35] um
[00:52:38] The I go in touch with one of my one of my powers at the other firms that I'm gonna make it
[00:52:43] Can you just have a look at can you do a mail trace for me?
[00:52:46] Mail trace simply means just find out when this individual message dispersion is at the data ranges
[00:52:51] ETC because I think we may have a
[00:52:54] Compromise here and you don't see cause there were the the wind and mid list the wind and the middle of like
[00:52:58] Completing a large transaction so I think there was a field like maybe 150,000 plans that if he that had to be paid for like
[00:53:04] Yeah, so imagine if someone going to wrong hand and the transaction go paid so
[00:53:09] He go back to me and said he ran me on personal number Saturday. No, there's nothing to worry about this signature from your perspective
[00:53:15] So me having shop is when it opened um
[00:53:19] Literally
[00:53:21] Showing down every single access every you know and condition access they use a heart and
[00:53:26] I just got thank you from the CEO at the direct ov. I that you know that film to say well
[00:53:31] Thank you for saving that for that because
[00:53:33] Obviously if you know if if that you know publishing if that tag, you know did go through obviously this finds
[00:53:40] There's you know this got their reputation and you know companies to take that quite serious
[00:53:44] So you know you're you've been breach of you know different you know GDPR 5s and you know and then finds a no pretty
[00:53:51] I've seen companies
[00:53:53] Payout ms like millions so
[00:53:55] I think that was a problem on to like you know what is you know it's quite handy even though you may be in you may be a network engineer
[00:54:01] Or you may be you know, whatever is handy just to have another stack of skills that you can implement in your role
[00:54:08] Because you just don't know be or I just want to be I T, you know
[00:54:11] Service desk or I just maybe network engineer. I'm just gonna stick a fixing fixing rituals and at this point
[00:54:16] And it is for them
[00:54:17] It's quite nice to have another stack of stack of skills that you can also implement in your role that can help you or help you or can even help you
[00:54:24] You know dive into another part. Yeah, so
[00:54:26] As soon as I got praise from the CEO on the IT director, which was quite nice it was it was a sense of like you know one this is the reason why
[00:54:36] You know we do the job that we do and
[00:54:40] If you know if I didn't mean if I made it maybe possibly in like a manager
[00:54:44] Or maybe hated the job, you know to the best of my ability or I just didn't like it
[00:54:50] I would have said yet to help with it. They can go through their own financial troubles and then you so be it
[00:54:54] Then again, it's nice to be nice because I think you know when you when you reward kindness you get rewarded to ten times forward and
[00:55:01] You go that long way and
[00:55:03] I'm a family who you put out there those combat ten times for clean hide all that good stuff and yeah
[00:55:08] goes a long way and I see keeping touch with you know the company and you know the Harry manager need to see
[00:55:15] So if I ever need anything so is that so like I said it's all over having a positive and solid network where said you know your network is your network
[00:55:22] So yeah, and
[00:55:25] That's that's one thing I always take with me and ensure that you know even if things didn't work out with
[00:55:30] It's a client or maybe as for to recruit and things didn't work out
[00:55:35] And I just check on them so I'll be when you're losing your desk if the risk is let me know and I'm always the first person like it's called so
[00:55:42] Or you remember don't leave us our tasting people's mouths so many people's you know
[00:55:46] Because like in the in the in the in the
[00:55:51] Accepted just me the moment you piece somebody off or you you go by whatever
[00:55:57] Yeah, it doesn't really end well. So you're just sure. Yeah, so yeah, that's I think yeah
[00:56:04] That's pretty much it really
[00:56:06] Cool
[00:56:08] So so last thing I wanted to ask you before we before we come to the club
[00:56:13] I just wanted to I mean
[00:56:15] So many people who you know are looking for mentors and then like you say one of the things you stress
[00:56:21] You know, it has a advice is getting a mentor right and I just want to ask
[00:56:27] From your perspective what what inspires you to to be that mentor
[00:56:32] Because for people asking for like mentor a lot of the times they're like
[00:56:38] Why would anyone just want to just help me for no reason right?
[00:56:41] Like you know I could ask but like they there's no expectation and and that's some of the reasons that people might
[00:56:49] Fair to like ask someone to be a mentor or ask someone to help them out. So so what's your thoughts on that?
[00:56:54] First of all most take is easy and not take is not sort of take is not easy
[00:56:59] It's an amazing industry to be a do no good mirror. I don't want to push anyone away
[00:57:04] Anybody can do it anybody from any demographic in the world doesn't matter
[00:57:07] Does any language barrier whether you buy a lingua or you speak nine to languages that doesn't mean this
[00:57:13] I remember because I think there's some there's something for somebody and
[00:57:19] Whatever domain in IT so when I say domains
[00:57:21] I'm talking about
[00:57:23] Cyber security so within server there's a lot they can do so within IT support now we can generate you can become first line support
[00:57:29] Now we can generate you know what can's near you can become a field engineer
[00:57:33] You can become a program. You can become a program in JavaScript you can become a program in PHP
[00:57:37] You can become a program main you know understand it different languages
[00:57:41] So the well the what the reason why I was saying like you know why you would sort of you know
[00:57:45] Need a mentor or well the mentor want to help you is because they've been in your shoes so
[00:57:51] I think you'll be arrogant not to help people that try to get into you know that have no scuba
[00:57:56] Do about how take works
[00:57:58] How you know and oh I need to do my security plus them and they will close and then I'll jump into server
[00:58:03] Nah, it doesn't work well that so
[00:58:06] Somebody to guide you or be in a position. Okay. You do you want one to want checking in you know
[00:58:10] How's your resume looking okay?
[00:58:13] Have you done any home labs?
[00:58:15] Okay, can you just jump onto call elinics or can you jump onto this?
[00:58:18] You know
[00:58:19] You know these labs and show them we've done what you understand showcase your way get your way from get hope
[00:58:24] And then obviously have you portfolio if you want to say you know
[00:58:27] I don't have any I don't have any experience this done of work
[00:58:30] But these are my mentors these are a quotation because at the end of the day
[00:58:33] Let's approach this young a mentor. Okay, look yeah, and then let's roll yet
[00:58:37] Keloable me he's you know his moment or this is why it does you know here's the he has my skills matrix of work done
[00:58:43] Over the past whatever don't mind plus man. I will close and my spirits plus and these are the skills that I'm sort of competitive
[00:58:49] And while I do demonstrate them you know working environment then that way I highly manage it
[00:58:53] But like you know this person is taking that time of time and date and effort
[00:58:57] To be in a position where they they're actually taking other time to actually understand the field and the stand in each and
[00:59:03] 90% of the rows I've done or seen or whatever
[00:59:07] They're all straining on the job
[00:59:08] You know just gonna go into the role like guns blazing of your position where they just
[00:59:14] Put your there's a drive going to show you to the shots and is what it is. It doesn't work with that
[00:59:18] So
[00:59:19] The moment you know you have that sort of you know experience in or sort of exposure on your own it helps you massively
[00:59:25] Like it shapes of 70% of stress in your work because you're like oh this is what you know
[00:59:31] And now we're trying to show you to know working issue. This is what you know
[00:59:35] Conditional access issue looks like this is what you know shared mailbox that engage in issue. This is a cashiest
[00:59:41] cashiest you or this is
[00:59:43] You know a VPN issue or fire or issue or fire or rules or maybe this IP addresses
[00:59:47] No, I listed then you can demonstrate that's a genoa. I've come across this for a lot to demonstrate it
[00:59:52] I know work so that comes in handy muscle this so yeah, that's what's it
[00:59:57] Me, it's amazing then so thank you so much for for all the value and the great advice and pointers and even your story and all that you're given in this podcast
[01:00:08] You really died in and this is definitely been the longest podcast. You had so much to
[01:00:14] To add into the conversation. Yeah, it's just just sorry
[01:00:17] Yeah, I was just I was just gonna say like I could just run to another day long
[01:00:21] Then yeah like we're like what I'll have to do a part to your some point and mids. I'll definitely be back on the podcast
[01:00:27] That they were so yeah, we'll be
[01:00:32] And before before before we go
[01:00:34] I just wanted to ask you if there's anything you want to share plug or promote and you can go in
[01:00:40] You that right I want to shut out to my to my mentors
[01:00:45] I'm pretty cool training
[01:00:47] Go robby go warn go and Jones AJ and
[01:00:54] Just they the Davis those guys have helped me massively the man of game their plug me on is
[01:01:00] Stupid this like I'm forever grateful for they
[01:01:03] Freak contents, you know, they give me
[01:01:07] They just exposure to give me I thought I knew it all like yeah, sir, sir, so I like your D
[01:01:13] Code of mate like there's levels to this and then they've created out advising body
[01:01:18] I'll send you the details the link so whether yeah, you know sign up just say then's up put your on and they're happy to help everyone
[01:01:26] They're quite
[01:01:26] Responsive they do want to ones. They do see reviews for free
[01:01:30] I'm safe for free but for a fee and we have all they're quite they're really really
[01:01:33] I remember when the community started I don't but think this time much year
[01:01:36] I think don't maybe 500 whatever now
[01:01:38] I've gone over the got students from all of the world they offer different native packages
[01:01:43] It is probably one of the best things that I've ever invested in like hands down
[01:01:48] So the guys are empirical training and then I'm need to shout you as okay love dog because
[01:01:52] You know, you the credit you're you're you're you're you don't get enough credit because I think
[01:01:57] The time it takes to sort of you know create a content and then obviously do your you know personal activities and need to say
[01:02:04] You know you've come a long way. I've seen the journey and I remember we had our personal conversations like don't give up
[01:02:10] Remember we spoke about that said so you gotta give you a place of on the show then you know like congrats you
[01:02:14] You've come a long way and
[01:02:16] Every time I see you some people talk to them like okay, I'm not okay
[01:02:20] I've got a couple of hours freedom you come Caleb's YouTube and watch this and so now honestly
[01:02:25] So yeah, like larger yourself man you don't well another guy
[01:02:29] I want to give a shout out to is David Bumble he's another guy
[01:02:35] I think if you're not in tech or you don't understand how things work or how different
[01:02:40] Set and things in tech what he's quite advanced if don't talk in the wrong book
[01:02:45] He's another guy or shout out and they're professor Messer is the good father granddad
[01:02:50] I think a lot people sleep on this guy and
[01:02:55] He's he's
[01:02:56] One person where like every person says yeah professor Messer. He's got free YouTube. He does like three for our seven is so number of the apos
[01:03:03] And reviewed him whatever and
[01:03:05] And the last thing is just care they're network with people one sliding people's deems
[01:03:10] I mean I'll leave all my
[01:03:11] My social handles that and what I want to do again towards you know
[01:03:16] Free one to one and how to how I started how could benefit you or maybe you don't feel the confidence that you know
[01:03:21] Jump into tech or you experience with university and the virtually snowwork style
[01:03:25] You don't know what it's like because obviously currently with cost of living a lot people
[01:03:28] Seeing things slightly different and their education then I'm excited differently now. You don't need
[01:03:34] to go into
[01:03:36] Higher education to get into tech so the dynamics have slowly just you know
[01:03:41] Gradually changed if you're going through an apprenticeship I would advise that because you get your employment and then you get a hundred
[01:03:46] Experience as well. So yeah those are the people that will definitely plug up for for that one in perico training all the way
[01:03:53] So yeah if you want to sign up and want to do whatever I'll leave all the info there so yeah
[01:03:59] Amazing amazing thanks so much Denzel once again for this podcast
[01:04:04] And for everyone watching thanks so much for watching once again we are
[01:04:10] We have episodes coming out every single week
[01:04:14] And we'll be having some more amazing guests like Denzel in
[01:04:19] The coming weeks thanks so much for watching. We'll see you guys in the next episode. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day